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03 Aug 2009 08:19
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RSPCA DAY - Part II

Throughout the day, again and again, the issue came up of there being not enough room for animals and, linked to this, the RSPCAs bad relations with other charities who could possibly help them with regards to finding a place for an animal in a rescue centre. In my mind, if there is an animal that needs a home, then shouldn’t all the charities work together to find that animal a placement? My Inspector believed that just because the RSPCA may have different views and aims to other charities, it should not necessarily mean they couldn’t work together in this respect. I definitely believe that this is one of the main issues the RSPCA should be working out. Building bridges with other charities so that they can all help each other out in times of need. Obviously there are going to be issues that may need to be worked on but wouldn’t it be advantageous to the animals if the charities could put their differences aside for the good of those animals? Surely “the good of the animals” is what they are all working towards after all?

I was told that it was Head Quarters who make decisions as to who to prosecute, not the “field officer” as such. The field officer can make recommendations etc. but ultimately it is not their decision.

I asked why there were sometimes differences in regulations for rehoming animals from the RSPCA between the different branches and was told that branches of the RSPCA are run as independent charities and do their own fundraising etc. they also have some of their own policies with regards to rehoming etc even though they are obviously affiliated with the RSPCA Head Quarters. This may explain why rehoming regulations vary from branch to branch.

I asked about lifetime bans and how these were enforced etc and was told that the RSPCA do and could not go and check on every person given a ban from keeping an animal, it just wasn’t practical. She said that they mainly rely on the public to inform them if a person who has been banned from keeping an animal, is now doing so. If the KNOW a person is likely to re-offend then they will go and have a quick check on them from time to time. She confirmed that a ban issued in the UK would stand throughout the whole of the UK as if a person had received a ban it would be the outcome of them being committed of a crime and if you are committed of a crime in the UK then it is on your record no matter where you go. She said that where the problem arose is that if people moved, they could not possibly keep a track of them and so there were cases of people moving to say, Scotland, to avoid a ban on keeping animals from being enforced.

I asked whether she often felt bogged down with “red tape” and admin etc. She said that that was not really an issue in her job other than in the respect that there are some things which hinder her ability to help animals, ie nowhere to “put” them once the Inspector has collected them. She said that with regard to the Animal Welfare Act, this does help. It means they can now intervene BEFORE suffering occurs, if it is likely to occur, rather than having to wait for an animal to actually be suffering before they can get involved. However, even with the AWA they still rely heavily on assistance from the police and they usually require concrete evidence that entrance is required to a property before they will help out. Some police officers / forces are quite obstructive and not very helpful at all. Also, they still require a vet to approve and confirm that suffering may occur and a lot of vets are unwilling to get involved in RSPCA issues. I asked why she thought this might be and she said that a lot of private practices did not want to be associated with the RSPCA as often clients would be worried that their animals would be taken away from them if the vet considered them to be neglected etc and the vet was associated with the RSPCA! This would obviously result in a loss of money for the vet.
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04 Aug 2009 07:59
04 Aug 2009 07:59
Hi Rosemary, thank you very much for your reply.i kind of understand what you are saying, i just find it strange that you, the local branch, seem to run almost independently from the HQ funded / run homes. it just doesn´t really seem to make sense - although i might just be being thick! lol. i mean, it makes more sense in my head that in each area there should just be one rspca centre that receives funding from HQ and also raises funds on its own behalf. that centre could surely then afford to have rehoming facilities, vet facilities and pay for additional boarding if required? it certainly seems like the small, local branches are getting a bit of a rough time of it, although like you say, i´m sure that you probably do have better relations with other local charities than the HQ branches, simply because you are not so closely linked to HQ and therefore, like you say, come across as being more human!
03 Aug 2009 15:26
03 Aug 2009 15:26
Hi Sarah,
I´m afraid it all very largely depends on what various people thought was important over the past century. In our case we have a clinic, but no animal home purely because the branch committee of 50 years ago identified a welfare need for low cost pet care and negotiated a deal with Cambridge University to get cut-price treatments in return of use of the clinic for training new vets.

In the case of Stubbington the branch committee presumably decided they wanted a shelter and raised funds for one. HQ homes tend to be more strategically placed in that HQ will realise that there´s a problem with taking in animals in a particular region and build a home to fill that need.

My own branch uses a combination of care at private boarding kennels, fostering by individuals and transfers to Block Fen which is our closest HQ funded shelter. The advantage of using private kennels is that (if we have the money!) we can increase the number of available spaces "overnight" rather than having a building with fixed limits. The disadvantage is that they´re not usually geared towards rehabilitating animals with behaviour problems etc.

Where there´s a long-established HQ run home there is a tendency for the local branch to wither away because all the public interest - donations, volunteers etc. - tends to come to the home rather than the branch. In the long run that does tend to mean the branch can´t afford to augment the places provided by the home with fostering or spaces in boarding kennels. I suspect that having an active branch also improves relationships with other charities because they see us as human beings ;-) I certainly don´t get the degree of aggro. your inspector seemed to find and we regularly do swaps with the local ferret rescue, Cats Protection, Blue Cross etc. if we have space & they don´t or vice versa.

I´m afraid at the end it does come down to money. We´ve never yet been in a position where we were telling our inspectors to PTS healthy animals, but a year ago we were very close to the point where we´d have had to.


03 Aug 2009 14:22
03 Aug 2009 14:22
Hi Rosemary, thanks for your message, i´d be very happy to talk to you more about the work you do with the rspca :-)

what happens when an inspector brings in an animal that you just don´t physically have room for? this is what appears to happen quite a lot and i was told by the inspector i was out with that if "you" don´t have room for that animal then in all likelihood it would be pts rather than the branch then working to try to find it alternative accommodation. i´m also slightly confused as to the differences between the Animal Home (such as leybourne) which is mainly funded by rspca hq and that of a home (such as stubbington ark) which appears to have to generate its own funds (am i right in that assumption)?
03 Aug 2009 14:09
03 Aug 2009 14:09
Hi Sarah, I´m interested in your comment about splitting the RSPCA into two sections - effectively Animal Police and Rehoming - as from my perspective (as a branch person) that´s really more or less what we have in place already.

Branches are expected to agree to provide care and rehoming facilities for all animals "generated" by the actions of the inspectorate. They may do this by supporting an Animal Home which gets the bulk of its funds direct from RSPCA HQ (Leybourne would fall into this category); by running their own Animal Home (e.g. Stubbington Ark); paying for places at private boarding kennels/catteries; fostering in domestic homes or a combination of all four.

Obviously there are some limits to what´s possible and if there was a rescue involving very large numbers of animals we´d be given help.
03 Aug 2009 10:42
03 Aug 2009 10:42
no worries honey :-)
03 Aug 2009 10:37
03 Aug 2009 10:37
PS sorry about the spelling mistakes not good at fast typeing

well not good at typeing at all lol
03 Aug 2009 10:34
03 Aug 2009 10:34
i was just about to say in america they have animal police ( shown on sky chls alot )
and they work in the commuity checking out everything from ppl with bans to suspected dog fights

here i think thare should be animal police or the police them selfs can do spot checks on behalf of the rspca if the police the rspca and the commuity pull toghter SURLY thares a away of keeping check on the animal abusers

or the person with the ban could be make to sign a 6 month register every 6 months they sign saying they do ntot own animals if it then comes to light that they have gone and got and mistreeted animals they should then be puinshed with inprisionment
03 Aug 2009 10:24
03 Aug 2009 10:24
i do see your point noo and from the point of view of the individual animal, it is all important. i guess part of the trouble is keeping a record of who has received what ban, for what period etc. i guess it is also a question of is it really the rspca´s job to enforce a court order. i´m sure they would argue that it is not. the inspector did say that if they were fairly sure that someone was likely to re-offend, such is in big cases where large amounts of animals were involved and probably for the profit of the owner, then they would regularly check in on those people to see if the ban was being adhered to. other than that they state there is little they can feasibly do with the tools and information they have. you are right that it is not fair and that it is the animals that suffer. however, i feel that until other organisations take on a role similar to the rspca, ie bringing about prosecutions in their own right and therefore also taking responsibility for the upkeep of those bans dished out by the courts, and the police get more "on board", little change will be made in this respect. i´m starting to feel more and more that perhaps the rspca should be split in to different organisations. ie the one that goes about "rescuing" and rehoming animals and another that is almost like an "animal police". whether the rspca are the right people to be doing the "animal police" bit i´m unsure of but it does seem to me that there does need to be someone out there bringing about prosecutions and policing any bans issued out by the courts. i´m unsure how bans are upheld in scotland where they have a different way of doing things. i´d be interested to find out though.
03 Aug 2009 10:06
03 Aug 2009 10:06
yes but surly they can do a spot check every 6 months or year its not difficult to pop thare heads round the door and ask a few questions
maybe im asking to much i understand they are busy but 5 -10 mins to check over few months or onece a year i know its hard keeping check on ppl but let face it a large number of ppl on bans do go and get more animals and they do re-offend causeing suffering to an inoocent animal
03 Aug 2009 09:42
03 Aug 2009 09:42
i can understand why you feel let down noos but you do have to try to take into consideration the mammoth task it would be for them to keep track on every single person who was issued a ban. in a perfect world anyone issued with a ban would stick to it and be "policed" but it would be so hard to do.
03 Aug 2009 08:41
03 Aug 2009 08:41
thanks sarah i asked you if you could find out how ppl with bans are checked ( im let down with thare answer )