So who´s are they?this is the scenario ... Pedigree Queen Cat goes into labour BEFORE reaching home, and gives birth to her kittens in what she considers is a safe place -- (someone´s garden shed). She continues to go home for food for several weeks and returns to her litter after every visit home. At the 12 weeks stage, Pedigree Queen is "picked up" by a local Rescue group (who don´t scan for a m/chip (proving she is "owned")), taken to vet and neutered, then returned to where She was picked up, in the presumption that she is one of the local feral population. She has been away from the litter for over 48 hours, and she doesn´t recognise her kittens, and neither do they, her. The Queen returns to her home, and settles back into home life. So who owns the kittens? The people who own the shed where the kittens were born? Or the owner of the (now neutered) Pedigree Queen? From the topic: Comments Post a comment in this discussion: 27 May 2009 14:48 Only just read this post sounds like you really went through it Gill glad they are back with you where they belong now :) 16 Oct 2008 16:07 Member Removed keep forgetting to look on this forum, sorry. The Turkish Vans sound lovely, Gill and I do not blame you for wanting to keep them all, I think I would too. Hope everything gets sorted out in the end. 16 Oct 2008 09:40 I am afraid that this is an all to common tale. Consider suing the RSPCA for the damage they have done to your cat. Loss of earnings, decrease in value of the animal. You could try contacting the SHG http://the-shg.org/ on their helpline 0844 700 66 90 15 Oct 2008 20:46 Ok, Mr PetStreet lawyer, thaks for answering the initial question, at last. now go read the rest of it! 14 Oct 2008 17:44 The owner of the cat. There can be no lien over the offspring to the person who found them. The practical issue of re-integration with the mother is a welfare issue. Rescue groups and vet should scan for chip - as good practice. 10 Oct 2008 06:21 Hi Mary, I´ve told the rspca that I am happy to pay for the DNA testing, but that´s all they´re getting from me. The rest they can try and sue me for. The Lawyer has started proceedings against the shed owner, I´m warned that it could take severla months before a result will be got from that (aparently the court is "bsuy with rspca stuff which takes precendence over other AWA-related cases"). Queenies´s hormones are settling down now, and she has become "an Auntie" to the tinies, even though they are her own. Everyone is doing just fine, even the little boy is beginning to put on some weight, and they are all weaned nicely, though i have to cage everyone at night now (see my other thread in "Cats") for their own safety. they don´t like it much, but i have no alternative at the mo. With any luck the tinies will forget their start in life over a time, and settle into being lovely family pets. I´ve decided that they will all be staying here, I don;t think I could ever part with them again. 09 Oct 2008 13:09 Sorry Gill..........I´ve only just seen this update on the little one´s and family!. Excellent news about the DNA result´s coming back and all being well there.....bad news about the RSPCA....wanting to charge you costs and great news about you planning to sue the Shed owner,who if she hadn´t be so goddamn stubborn and incoperative in the first place...you wouldn´t be in this stressful position and it´s likely,that the little boy would have survived too. I hope that all come´s together in the end for you and it´s just great that mum,babies and foster mum are getting along nicely,sharing the load and doing a grand job of bringing up little one´s!.xxxx 07 Oct 2008 06:17 Another Update... All girls are fine. Little surviving boy is still quite poorly, and has had to return to vet for a time. DNA test results in, confirming that the kittens are Queenie´´s (and the Dad´s). So I am no longer an rpsca foster mum ( phew!), ownership paperwork will be finished off today, hopefully. And I can get back to doing what i do best, being a breeder of Turkish Van Cats. Upshot is, that rspca want ME to pay all costs incurred, so they "are not out of pocket" ??? Shed owner is being sued for lack of duty of care under the AWA, and causing the death of one kitten, by me. If the rspca can take out a civil suit, then so can I! So although this isn´t over, until the court decides on what fine is for her, as far as the tinys are concerned, we are slowly getting back to normality. BabyMum (my other queen) has taken over care with me, as Queenie not interested. Queenie will stay here indefinately as a pet cat, while the Insurance company sorts out the rspca and why they also defaulted on their own policy of duty of care, and chose to neuter a profitable pedigree queen (who was obviously lactating at the time), as a suspected stray, and why they didn´t check that she had identification. So there we are. I just wanted to say thanks to the Petstreet Lawyer, for not advising me. Because of that I had to find out everything myself, and although it was a stressful experience at the time, (stress is not good for someone with my disability), it has been worth it to me, if only to give me the oomph to "get off my ar$e" and go back to Law School and finish what i started too many moons ago. Solicitors with Animal experience are desperately needed, especially around here, and especially with AWA (Animal Welfare Act) experience. 05 Oct 2008 17:10 for more info on Turkish Van cats, go here: http://www.swimmingcats.com/index1.html #or http://www.turkishvan.org/ 05 Oct 2008 17:07 Hi Carole, Mum is an Auburn TV (white body, auburn markings on head and tail.) kittens are almost identical to Mum. Dad was a black/white Tonk. But with TV´s the maternal line is prominent, and whatever Queenie was mated with, she always threw back the TV markings and temperament. |