bad dogs or bad ownersthis is not excepting dogs that attack just a thought.. all dogs even the tiny handbag dogs have the jaw power to crush bone and all dogs used to have a purpose only new breeds are companion animals it seems every week a diffrent dog is deemed a killer dog .staffies rotties german shepherds bull mastiff lab ridgebacks collie husky boxers shar pei. all these dogs have been in the news over the last two years theese breeds were all bread for a purpose mostley to help with live stock not kill the only one that differs is the staffie bread for nouthing other than fighting dogs this info is taken from the what dog book by amanda o´neill if anyone wants to check. although theese dogs all have the abaility to do damage if proper training and care are taken to ensure your dog no´s who is boss ground rules and respects you and provided your dog is not bored ie stimulation and excersize there should never be a problem. bottom line if people got dogs and new what they needed as love is not the be all and end all just a part of it. i believe these horrible events should never unfold. this is not to hurt any of these dog owners or the people affected by these dogs just my view . think of a neighbour a friend read the list how many people you no have these dogs are they killer´s too??? From the topic: Comments Post a comment in this discussion: 05 Sep 2010 19:11 noo totaly agree tina wow that is alote to take in thanks for the post x 05 Sep 2010 17:59 Dont know why you needed a breeding licence Tina as guidance has indicated that parliament did not intend that the legislation be used to require hobby breeders to be licensed, even if they sold puppies, and to this end a person is presumed to be carrying on a business if in a 12 month period any number of their bitches give birth in total (i.e. collectively) to 5 litters or more. http://www.walsall.gov.uk/index/business/dog_breeders_licences.htm 05 Sep 2010 16:50 Member Removed Dog Breeding This is the letter which was sent to me this year as my breeders licence had ran out - Please don´t be fooled by all the rules & regulations, as when I applied for my breeders licence in March last year, my vets said no one from the council will never ever get in touch with them, so you will automatically get a breeders licence within 7 days of you sending off your form Dog Breeding Licence Establishments used for the breeding of dogs are controlled by the Breeding of Dogs Act 1973. No person may keep a breeding establishment without first obtaining a licence from their Local Authority. A breeding establishment means any premises where more than two bitches are kept for the purposes of breeding for sale. Licensing of Breeding Establishments Applications for a licence must be made to the Local Authority, and a licence may be issued if the applicant is not disqualified under any of the following Acts. a) The Breeding of Dogs Act 1973. b) The Pet Animals Act 1951. c) The Protection of Animals (Amendment) Act 1954. d) The Protection of Animals (Cruelty to Dogs) (Scotland) Act 1934. There is an application fee which must be paid at the time the application is made (details below). Where a licence is granted, that licence and any subsequent licence will expire on the 31st December of the year to which the licence relates and must be renewed before that date if the premises are to continue as a dog breeding establishment. The applicant will also be required to pay the cost of inspections carried out by the Council´s authorised Veterinary Surgeon or Veterinary Practitioner. Council´s Duties Before being granted a licence the applicant must be able to demonstrate to the Council´s Licensing Inspector: •That the dogs will at all times be kept in accommodation that is suitable in respect of construction, size of quarters, number of occupants, exercising facilities, temperature, lighting, ventilation and cleanliness. •That the dogs will be adequately supplied with suitable food, drink and bedding material, adequately exercised, and (so far as is necessary) visited at suitable intervals. •That all reasonable precautions will be taken to prevent and control the spread amongst the dogs of infectious or contagious diseases, including the provision of isolation facilities. •That appropriate steps will be taken for the protection of the dogs in case of fire or other emergency, including the provision of suitable and sufficient fire fighting equipment. •That all appropriate steps will be taken to ensure that the dogs will be provided with suitable food drink and bedding material and adequately exercised when being transported to or from the breeding establishment. A licence may be refused or withheld on other grounds if those grounds are such that conditions are not suitable for the breeding of dogs. Each licence is subject to standard conditions that are imposed on all dog breeding establishments licensed by the Council. In addition to the standard conditions a licence may also contain special conditions that are only applicable to your premises. Your Right of Appeal Any person aggrieved by a refusal to be granted a licence or by any condition to which a licence is subject may appeal to the Magistrates Court and the Courts may give such directions regarding the licence or its conditions as it thinks proper. Offences and Penalties The following offences apply to the breeding of dogs. 1.Anybody found guilty of keeping a dog breeding establishment without a licence may be subject to a fine not exceeding £2,500. 2.Anybody found guilty of failing to comply with the conditions of their licence may be subject to a fine not exceeding £2,500. 3.Anybody found guilty of obstructing or delaying an Inspector or authorised Veterinary Surgeon or Veterinary Practitioner in the exercising of their powers may be fined up to a maximum of £1,000. If found guilty under this Act, the defendants licence may be cancelled and they may be disqualified from keeping a dog breeding establishment for such length of time as the Court thinks fit. Further Information Copies of the Breeding of Dogs Act 1973 and other legislation mentioned, can be viewed on the Office of Public Sector Information (OPSI) website. A copy of the Breeding of Dogs Act 1973 can be viewed at the Council Offices (address above) where you may also obtain a copy of the Council´s standard licence conditions, an application form and further help and advice. What is the process? There is a 28 day consultation period. How long does the process take? The outcome of your application will be determined within 14 days following the end of consultation. How long is the licence valid? All Dog Breeding Licences expire on 31st December each year following the date of issue. How much does it cost? Licence Fees from 1st April 2010 - 31st March 2011 £105.00 (+ vet inspection fee) 05 Sep 2010 16:10 personally i think thare should be an outright ban on breeding animals ....2-3 years give the rescues a chance to get the numbers down but with any old tom dick and harry breeding animals for profit thats not much chance of that nettie i onlt reacently found out how much it costs to breed animals if they do everything the right way they dont make a profit at all ask tina she will tell you what she payed when she breed her dogs ( she kept them all and did NOT make money from selling them ) 05 Sep 2010 12:42 lf a person keeps bitches at any premises and they give birth to 5 or more litters during a period of 12 months, they must obtain a Dog Breeding Licence. This includes bitches kept: by any person at the premises; by any relative of the person at the premises; elsewhere by the person; anywhere by the person under a breeding arrangement/contact with another person. 05 Sep 2010 10:58 noo i agree about the breeding i just got a puppy as you will see if you have been on my photos our pup is kc dog and with my three cats i felt the safest option for there wellbeign was to get a puppy had i not had the cats i would have resscued i made a partnership through my work with 8 addoption charities last year springer welfaire boxer scotland german shepherd welfare cat rescue bunny welfare etc plus i run a small animal adoption centre and like you i think pups kittens etc should cut back on breeding just now but it will never happen unless something is put into place that only approved breeders can breed but then prices would rocket there would be more overbreeding . i read something interesting last week apparently anyone in england scotland and wales must have a licence to breed even cross breeds if they are going too ask for money for there pups my point beign animal law is not out there for the less animal loving pet owners to no ie unlike us who could talk pets all day and untill there is nouthing can be done animals will always be in shelters because anyone can get whatever they want when they want it because in this world everything has a price. to some people and i am sad too say i no people like this.. they will get a pet get bored and get rid i no one person that had had 9 dogs sinc i have known of her none have reached a year old in her home but been moved on as they are no longer cute and small its a disgrace but no law says you cant get bored and no law says if you will not keep that animal you cannot get it i think there should be a register who has what pets where they live have the had vaccs etc and if you have a diffrent pet every month and the old one is gone an investigation should be done . sorry i am ranting and off track but thats my messy view lol 04 Sep 2010 10:44 Member Removed The top 5 breeds of dogs to put children after being bitten in Hospital is not the "stereotype staff/rotti/bulldogs" but are as followed : 5th Terriers - 4th Dalmatians - 3rd Chihuahuas - 2nd Labradors/Retrievers & 1st place goes to the Poodle, but we never hear of these attacks in the MEDIA because they are not considered to be "dangerous" breeds yet if a Staffy just nips a child its spread right across the news morning noon & night. I & 14 of my brothers/sisters were brought up living with 6 yes 6 American Pitbull dogs, not one of us kids ever got bitten or nip as we were told to respect the dogs from our dad, when I moved to where I live now, I had 3 Rottweilers 2 Dobermans & 1 German Shepherd, non of my dogs were allowed to roam the street free or be tied up outside children play areas, yet this now seem to be the norm these days, but sadly its Staffies that get tied regular to railing by children play areas. we all know then that a child we before long get bitten again & once again the news headlines is " Dangerous Bull terrier attacks child again" So in answering your question Nettie on bad dogs or bad owners is will always be BAD OWNERS every time 04 Sep 2010 09:58 Member Removed john...i have a question for you...in your first post, you make a coment about "stereotypical staff/rott/bulldog owners" , yet in another post you make a coment about friends of yours who have been "slagged off" for their choice of dogs. my questions are...1...what is (in your opinion) a "stereotypical staff/rott/bulldog owner" ????..and..2..why is it ok (in your opinion) to make such offending coments while saying others are rude for the same behavior ??? 04 Sep 2010 09:56 no i got that and thank you i didnt get the whole cross breed comment i dont get why you broght that up ....its funny you should bring it up cos when ever we get on to the subject of cross breeds or designer dogs ......this forum gets quite heated 03 Sep 2010 15:04 ????????????????? means?????? - did my last post not make sense or something? I said I admired your loyalty and do the same and then made the point that not everyone teaches their kids how to behave with dogs. Better? |