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Consumer Direct endorses PetStreet Sale of Goods proposal.

Consumer Direct is the government-funded telephone and online service offering information and advice on consumer issues. It is funded by the Office of Fair Trading and delivered in partnership with Local Authority Trading Standards Services.

Carol Brady, Operations Manager from Consumer Direct has said that "since the introduction of the Animal Welfare Act in England and Wales this year, and the Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) Act last year, pet owners are now legally obliged to care for their pet by providing a proper diet, suitable living conditions and veterinary care when necessary. However, in addition to obligations, pet buyers also have statutory rights. Consumer Direct has received more than 2700 complaints from dissatisfied pet buyers last year, many of whom were unaware of their rights under the Sale of Goods Act".

As an update another spokesperson for Consumer Direct told me today: Pet buyers have statutory rights under the Sale of Goods Act 1979.

Any pet purchased from a business seller must be of satisfactory quality, as described, and fit for the purpose made known. If the seller is a private individual, the animal only has to be as described and the seller´s to sell.

If you buy an animal which does not meet these criteria, you may be able to make a claim against the retailer and if unsuccessful through the county courts, but it´s important to note that these are civil rather than criminal law provisions so you would not be able to pursue a criminal prosecution under this legislation. Possible remedies may include a refund or damages.


I would also like to quote something written by Chris Fairfax - a Barrister, lawyer and director of Animal Friends Pet Insurance. He says:- " If you go and buy a fridge, a car, or whatever from a dealer in the UK you have certain legal rights. Some rights are enshrined in a written contract but others are implied by the law by the Sale of Goods Act 1979. The two major implied rights are that the “goods” you buy must be of “satisfactory quality” and they must be “fit for the purpose”. These rights are found at section 14 of the Sale of Goods Act. They are rights that a dealer cannot contract out of where you are a private buyer; so remember that if a dealer tries to tell you a fault falls outside a contractual warranty! But you only get the benefit of these implied rights where you have bought goods from someone who was acting “in the course of business”. It doesn’t apply where you buy a car from a private individual or a kitten from Auntie Maud. In those cases the good old caveat emptor rule applies (“let the buyer beware”)."

Most of the breeders we are concerned about are running businesses so maybe we are on the right track here?

At PetStreet we know pets are not commodities like toasters - they are living being that we care about immensely. Yet we believe some breeders have been behaving in a totally irresponsible manner. If we can find a way that might in the future prevent someone buying a dog that will develop a disease that is the result of bad breeding, then what difference does it make what legislation was used to help change the breeding practices? (If the animal welfare legislation was working well we wouldn´t need to be making an alternative proposal). And we are not prosecution-mad - we just know that self-regulation has not worked in this area.

That is why PetStreet wants a serious debate into:-
1. Whether the Sale of Goods legislation might work to prevent breeders selling dogs to unknowing customers that will develop inherited conditions.
2. Whether the Kennel Club might help us develop a simple and clear contract of sale which might state:- the problems of that particular breed; what tests have been used to investigate the health of this particular dog and its parents; and the likelyhood of the dog subsequently developing problems. A contract could be reassuring to both buyers and reputable sellers.
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30 Aug 2008 11:27
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These were my two questions that I added onto the original thread about Pedigree Dogs.

How did the KC view those dogs in the Show ring (on the BBC prog),that were either unhealthy or clearly conformationally unsound YET deemed by the judges as normal AND WORSE.....Acceptable ???????.
Isn´t that going against what the KC supposedly does not agree with or allow in the judges at such show´s ?????????.

And going on what Vena said about the Accredited Breeder´s Scheme....it´s a farce and need´s a MAJOR overhaul,to be promoted as worthwhile and valid,I would say...what is their opinion on that ??????????????.
30 Aug 2008 09:37
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Questions for Caroline Kisko

1. What is the KC planning to do following the revelations of the Documentary
2) How does the KC justify allowing dogs with major health issues to compete
3) How does the KC justify the breeding on of dogs with a genetic problem
4) What are your thoughts on culling healthy puppies who dont reach the breed standard
5) Will the KC be considering reviewing its breed standards to take into account the welfare issues
6) The ABS doesnt appear to be worth the paper its written on for anyone wishing to buy a pedigree dog. Is it just an
income generating exercise
7) Will the KC consider doing spot checks on breeders and check out their breeding programme before giving them an approved breeders certificate
8) Will the KC consider a hefty fine or expulsion from the KC for any breeder that brings the Fancy into disrepute
29 Aug 2008 10:49
Member
Wrong..ED (LOL).....I´ve added 2 above your post on that thread (hee-hee).
29 Aug 2008 10:08
Member
i would think that the owner might want to keep them - but if there was liability on the breeders part then they should pay compensation for the vets bills etc - isnt that fair?
Also as i said on the long discussion (with the bulldog picture) about the BBc film, Caroline Kisko from the Kennel Club has agreed an interview with PetStreet. Does anyone have a question for her - so far i have had no suggestions.
28 Aug 2008 18:09
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Liz,
I would suggest that the pets were NOT returned to the breeder but were in some way ´confiscated´ and re-homed according to their state of health. Obviously, if they were suffering they should be gently pts
28 Aug 2008 14:50
Member
What would happen to the poor sick animals that were returned for a refund I totally 100% agree with what everyone is saying but what do they do with all the returned pets it doesnt bare thinking about Liz.
28 Aug 2008 12:59
Member
i´m with you all on this one. breeders should definately be held accountable for the "quality" of the animals they are producing. i know it puts a bad taste in all of our mouths to discuss animals in such a way, like we are turning them into commodities and products but the fact is that that is pretty much what they are to the breeders and animal welfare laws do not seem to be doing much to prevent bad breeding practices - maybe this is the way forward.
28 Aug 2008 11:26
Member
lm all for Breeders being made accountable, and agree something needs to be put into place NOW,while it is still fresh in peoples minds otherwise it will just get swept over and carry on as it has for years.
28 Aug 2008 10:11
Member
Oh how I agree there Ed..very very much!.
28 Aug 2008 09:56
Member
Mary is right - there are many issues here - thats why I have been focussing on just one. Namely the fact that bad breeders should be held accountable for their actions. If breeders knew they were liable this might have a dramatic effect on the reduction on the congenital abnormalities they seem happy to tolerate in order to achieve their breed standard and prize at a major dog show.
28 Aug 2008 09:45
Member
It certainly doesn´t hurt to ask and investigate the pro´s and con´s of the above suggestion...anything is worth a try at solving this dilemma..............I don´t know about anybody else,BUT,with so much conflicting thoughts,views and opinions/advice from the KC and the general public,my head is seriously spinning with so much information and I just want to see a positive breakthrough one way or the other,to help dog breeds in general and for there to be unity and clarity between breeders,exhibitors,the KC,the purchasers of pup´s and of course above all,the welfare of the dogs involved.
28 Aug 2008 08:59
Member
that would be interesting to know Vena.
28 Aug 2008 08:56
Member
Hi ED, it would be interesting to know of the 2,700 or more complaints, how many were actually against (supposedly reputable breeders) or from Puppy Farms/pet shops, also what was the outcome of these complaints.
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